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73 Responses to Christian Conversion in Andhra Pradesh- A case sheet

1. Rocky says:

   April 10, 2012 at 7:11 pm

   Dear Arise Bharat,

   I have both Christian and Hindu family members in my family. Hence I have the benefit of viewpoints from both sources.

   First of all we must do away with this assumption that Christianity or Islam are not the ‘real’ Indian cultures, but foreign cultures.

   Islam is there for several hundreds of years and Christianity was supposed to have come to India in the second century AD. So for almost 1800 years it is there in India. In fact, Christianity reached India even before it reached Europe. So let us not keep working under the so-called assumption that these are ‘foreign’ religions. There are so many historians who say that Aryans themselves migrated to India. So can we also conclude that the Vedic-Aryan civilisation is ‘foreign’ to India?

   So let us not behave as if the monopoly of ‘Indian culture’ is equivalent to ‘Hindu culture’.

   The tradition of Moplah muslims, the ancient Christians of Kerala, the Parsis of India and the Jews of ancient India should be all part of the Indian culture.

   Please remember that India believed in Vasudev Kutumbakam, the principle of ‘one human family’ long before this principle has been even thought of in Europe or America.

   But the ‘pseudo Hindu’ movement in India by group of violent groups like Shiv Sena and sections of BJP including the rakshasa/asuric forces like Modi and others are leading the genuine followers of Hinduism astray.

   Now regarding conversions, let us ask this question carefully. There are close to 3 million Indians who live in US. How many have actually converted to Christian religions. Very few.

   If you know US is like the headquarters of most missionary Christian movements. Despite that the 3 million Hindus live in US comfortably, going to their temples. In fact, even the government of US has slowly started recognising Hindu festivals like Diwali etc. The same is the situation in UK. There are people who keep spreading the message of Christianity in both US and UK and Europe and there are others who spread the message of Hindu movements like Hare Krishna or various swamis like Sri Sri or Amritanandamayi or others. Similarly some Muslim groups also spread their messages. There is no problem. No one bothers to emotionalise these things and make a big fuss.

   So the point I am trying to make is that, the root cause of conversions in India is poor governance and lack of opportunities especially for lower castes etc. Once these issues are addressed, then automatically the conversion by money will stop because those who convert will have no incentive.

   However, I think like most Indians you are also a hypocrite. While you do not mind Hindu organisations like Hare Krishna or Amritanandamayi getting more converts in foreign countries, you do not want the Christian missionaries to convert any Indians.

   Wow… what a hypocrite you are… You want the freedom to preach all religions in US or Europe or UK so that Hindu organisations can preach their own teachings, but you do not want that environment in India because you feel some Indian Hindus might be swayed !! Talk of double standards.

   In fact, I do not see any issue here. In the west, the Hindu organisations take advantage of the emotional poverty of westerners to entice them to give up attending church and adopt some Hindu practices like Yoga, meditation, chanting etc.
   Similarly, the christian organisations take advantage of the financial poverty of some Hindus to entice them to Christianity.

   As long as there is no coercion or force involved, in either case, as long as the people concerned (the convertor and the converted) are both aware of what they are doing, the government or other individuals have no business in this.

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   • arisebharat says:

     April 11, 2012 at 1:27 pm

     @ Rocky, We are glad that you have put in lot of thought in replying and not just done an adhoc reply. At the same time, we are disappointed that you chose to make a judgemental call of hypocricy without discussion. From your other comments, it seems that you do not live in Bharat. Therefore, it is clear that while you may sympathise with the situation in Bharat, you are not experiencing the problem first hand.

     COming to your points..

     1. Islam did not come to India by peaceful means. It did come as an invading creed. But that is not the issue. The Parsis and Jews have also come into Bharat, but the leadership of the community has done more than its bit for Bharat. Also, there has been no issue with the Hindus and them.

     Secondly, we have no issue with the common Muslim. In fact, we are aware of moderate Muslims who themselves are stifled in the society. Even marginal groups like Ahmediyas and Bahais have been attacked by the dominant Sunni groups. The real issue is with the Islamic leadership which is extremist and disowns even a great person like Dr.Kalam as not a good muslim. ( read Dr.Rafiq Zakaria on Kalam ) . This is the leadership which spews venom on the name of Jehad and has polarised the society , not hte other way round. Regarding Moplah, please read the Moplah riots. The history of Bharat is replete with incidents of how there are riots in every place where the Muslims turn more than 20%. IN fact even in Hyderabad district , in Secunderabad ( which is twin city of Hyd) there are no riots where the Muslims are less than 5%. The riots happen only in Hyderabad. It shows that Hindus and the Hindu movements exercise great restraint.

     Reg Christianity, the myth of St.Thomas was recently disowned by Pope Bentinck himself, so this farce of Christianity coming to Kerala in 2nd century is well exposed. HOwever, that again is not the issue. The issue is that the Christianity has a history of inquisition…not only in India but the whole world…Please read the Goa Inquisition and also how pagan cultures were destroyed all over the world by Christian crusaders.

     We are not against propagation of a faith but conversion by fraud and spreading venom against Gods and goddesses ( hear any missionary speaking in Bharat and you will know what I am talking about ) . As per the constitution of this land, this is unlawful. That is what we are protesting and exposing. What is wrong in it ?
     If ISKON is working against the land in Europe of US, they must be acted upon. My knowledge is that they have not been unlawful.

     Finally, on your contention of Aryans, the myth of aryan invasion has been exposed by numerous historians esp from the West. The BBC itself exposed it as a conspiracy of the Britishers ( please read the article in this blog). The core culture of this land is Sanatana Dharma and the concepts that almost all the Indian administration has borrowed are from that.

     We are happy that there are well intentioned people like you who want the country to develop, but feel disappointed that you come to conclusions too early.

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     • Rocky says:

       April 12, 2012 at 10:39 am

       Let us look at your arguments:

       1. To say that Islam or Christianity never reached any land except by force would be wrong. I do accept that these religions did use force (in the arrogance that their way alone is the right way), but in some cases they also spread because of the amazing conviction of the preachers and their tireless efforts.
       Again, perhaps the issue is irrelevant, because today whether they are Christians or Hindus or Parsis is irrelevant, because we must start with the basic premise that every Indian is an Indian first and last. The matter of his religion, his caste or his language is his personal matter and the law of the land must not differentiate based on this.

       2. We live in a globalised world today, not the India made of hundreds of small or big kingdoms which was the case maybe 300 or more years back.
       We have to accept the global, liberal thinking that as human race, every human being must have human rights. These rights are not a charity given by the country within which he lives, but these rights come to him because he is born human.

       But please remember that this feeling is not a western thinking. This is very much there in the true Hindu ethos of ‘Vasudev Kutumbakam’.

       I have lived in India (or Bharat as you insist on calling) for several years before I moved to the west.

       About Muslims, they have a right to live their lives the way they want as long as they do not break laws meant to protect the freedom of everyone.

       Just because other Indians believe that all gods lead to the same path, does not mean that if a group believes that only their god (allah) is true, we have a right to force them to accept our belief system by force. (If they are not using violence.)

       Of course, we can try to convert their line of thinking by using education, exchange of thoughts etc. but use of violence is not acceptable ever to change belief systems/convictions, as long as they do not break the freedoms of other people.

       If tomorrow you Mr. Arise bharat, believe that allah or Christ or some X or Y is the only god and all other religions are bullshit, then I will certainly want to protect all your rights as an individual, even though I may totally disagree with you.
       That is what is called true tolerance which is what true Hinduism is all about.

       Today’s pseudo Hinduism is becoming more and more intolerant and after some time, I am afraid it will increasing start looking like a copy of the intolerant Islam.

       Now, if your faith is true and if someone derides your religion, you must reply to that person at the same intellectual level of debate and discussion. That is the cultured way and the true Hindu way. (Not the muslim way of trying to kill Salman Rushdie becos he writes some thing which he himself has acknowledged is pure fiction.)

       Replying to insults or arguments made by missionaries by violence or threat of violence is certainly neither cultured nor Hindu.

       Regarding your comment about St. Thomas in 2nd AD, please show me one source where Pope Benedict has called it a myth. Please do not quote or twist history as you would like to see it. There is even a church devoted to St. Thomas and the catholics in kerala even follow a separate religious rite than the catholics in western countries. In fact, the Europeans would like to call Christianity a western concept but the matter of fact is that Christianity reached India first (before Europe). Unfortunately the Indians who originally embraced Christianity believed in tolerance and never believed in conversions. So they peacefully co-existed and thrived along with Hindus in Kerala. Later on, the Christianity was taken over by Westerns who brought their organised work habits and rational thinking to increase the numbers in the religion. That is why today we see a more organised Christianity. Please study this matter carefully. (Also you can remember that in fact many of the ‘Hindu’ organisations may be taken over by westerners slowly as a result of globalisation. For instance several yoga schools in the west are being run professionally, organised and run purely by the westerners, without any influence of Indians. Similarly the ISKON also has many people in their hierarchy who were white westerners.)

       As I mentioned earlier in my post there are close to 3 million Indians (majority of them Hindus) in US. In US also, being a liberal country, some missionaries do speak ill of other religions. Similarly some of the Hindu seers and saints speak about the bad effects of western civilisation like alcohol or non-veg although they might not speak directly against Jesus or Mary (simply because that is against Hindu ethos to denigrate other gods).

       But even if they speak against western civilisation, or missionaries speak against Hindu gods, no one gets worked up and all emotional and hyper like they do in India.

       Today Indians in America are among the highest earning groups and are thriving in a logical, fair, merit based system. They have freedom to worship, celebrate their own festivals and all that.

       Only the messiness, pollution, violence, corruption of India is absent.

       Why can’t we work towards creation of such an India, instead of harping upon non-issues?

       Finally regarding your comment on ‘core’ culture of India. If any religion is there for hundreds and thousands of years, certainly it is a Core culture of India.

       Sikhism, Christianity, Islam, Jewish and Zoroastrianism are all core religions of India along with Hindu thought.

       Indians are staying in UK for only one or two hundred years at the most, but yet today Britain accepts all racial mixes as their own. Even blacks and Asians citizens call themselves Britishers.

       And people like you want to say that Christianity and Islam which have been in India for hundreds and hundreds of years are not core to India? How many more hundreds of years should these religions remain in India to be considered ‘core’?

       Think about it. The pseudo-Hindu organisations thriving in the climate where there is only a third rate corrupt party (Congress) is ruling in the country, is using this kind of divide and rule strategy of ‘core’ versus ‘non-core’ to create a country of ‘pure’ cultural nationalism (similar to the national socialism of Hitler). The consequences can be dangerous for a country consisting of billions of people.

       Let us move away from this dirty philosophy and try to create one India where every human being who is an Indian (by birth or by taking citizenship) can feel proud to say he is an Indian.

       A clean, honest India, driven by systems, rule of law and without discrimination against any Indian (whether the Hindu in Kashmir or the Muslim in Gujarat).
     • arisebharat says:

       April 14, 2012 at 6:43 pm

       @ Rocky, We think that the problems of the land will be resolved only when we have an assertive government which is secular in the true sense of the word and does not appease. As long as the administration is run on vote banks, the aggressors would continue to run scot free.

       Regarding the myth of St.Thomas and Pope Benedict, it is you who seem to be blinded and do not want to see the other side of the story. If you were true, then you would have responded to me after doing atleast some research on the points that we raised, i.e, the Goan inquisition and the blood soaked history of Christian missionaries in the entire world including Bharat.

       Since you ask for “atleast” on source which quotes Pope Benedict, please find the same below

       http://www.rediff.com/news/2006/nov/22pope.htm

       http://apostlethomasindia.wordpress.com/2011/08/11/pope-denies-st-thomas-evangelized-south-india-ishwar-sharan/

       http://voiceofdharma.org/books/hhce/Ch21.htm

       Now we trust you would be honest enough to explore further on the links above and if possible write to the Pope seeking clarification.

       Regarding organized Christianity being the problem, yes that is what we had indicated also in the article. The problem is not about a few people believing a different God. We are fully for each one having his own path. They are free to believe in whatever they want. But freedom ends where my nose starts. The problem comes when the use state machinery and funds to defraud gullible people and turning conversion into a multi-million dollar industry and thereby trying to wield power over nations.
     • Rocky says:

       April 17, 2012 at 9:18 am

       Since you seem to be using plural we, let me also use we.

       We have read the links that you provided. Most of the links simply state that a ‘controversy’ has been created because the pope omitted to mention something.

       We can likewise show you several links which says Lord Ram does not exist or that Jesus himself never existed.

       But we have to always take a balanced approach in this regard.

       The existence of Ram is a matter of belief of millions of people in India and there are some historical evidence of his existence. You will always find some stray links which question the existence of Krishna or Rama or Jesus. Please don’t use internet selectively. All sorts of theories are easily found on the internet and some controversies created through stray comments.

       Similarly, despite the presence of some links the majority-accepted view, is that St. Thomas was there and that he did land in India. If you know a little more about christianity, you will know that there are separate rites of worship for catholics in kerala (syro-malabar rites, as opposed to latin rites in the rest of the world). Even the pope is aware of that.

       If the pope truly believed that St. Thomas never came to India, why does he permit a separate rites of worship for chrisitans in Kerala. There is an Indian Cardinal (his name we forget) who has a chance of becoming the pope but he practices the syro-malabar rites of worship.

       For your information, India is not the only case where Christianity reached earlier than in Europe. It reached some parts of what is today called ‘middle-east’ Lebanon also earlier than it reached Christianity.

       Of course, Europeans/westerners have a vested interest in depicting Christianity as a ‘western’ religion and showing that the rest of the world was ‘given’ christianity by the kindness/hard work of European missionaries who toiled hard. In fact this conveniently fits the western paradigm of ‘we civilised the natives’. Therefore they would like to discredit every attempt to show that Christianity took roots in other countries before it reached Europe.

       Regarding the third article, to say that St. Thomas was created because catholic church needed a martyr is ludicrous. Catholic church has enough martyrs of its own. It is like saying that all actions of deceit mentioned in Mahabharata war is only mentioned to malign Lord Krishna.

       Freedom ends where your nose begins. Wise saying. I totally agree with you. But if you tomorrow decide to convert on your own, (whether by accepting money, or by belief or whatever else), it is purely your personal business, not my business or the business of pseudo-Hindu organisations, or Islamic organisations or the government.

       The role of the government is only to protect the individual citizens against cheating, violation of agreement, physical coercion or violence.

       When an individual knowing fully well his choices, exerts it, (as long as they are his personal choices), the government or any organisation has no right to interfere.

       Personally, we are against conversion by one religion to another by using financial tactics or emotional tactics (taking in people who are drug addicts, depressed etc. and indoctrinating them with dose of religion).

       However, if clearly a person is doing it on his own, other people do not have any business to interfere.

       Most developed countries have accepted this simple truth.

       Even while I was in US, I had met some bible person on the plane, who wanted to discuss about his church and was persuading me to join that particular church (even promising benefits etc.).

       But then I politely declined. However, for whatever he preached, I would never want to deny him his right to preach his system of beliefs. He is like a salesman who sells a particular shampoo. If you do not want to buy the shampoo, don’t buy it, but certainly do not deny him the right to talk about his product/belief.

       Similarly, if some person wants to buy that shampoo, it is purely his/her personal business, not the business of some mob groups.

       Let us not be stuck in the 17th century time-piece of ‘Indian culture’ and operate in the climate of fear for survival of Hinduism. Today many ‘pseudo-Hindu’ groups have fanned this fear and recruiting several poor people into their ranks to embark on this path of violence (based on fear, hatred and aggression).

       Instead, slowly, these groups are themselves becoming like the copy of some muslim militant groups, that they oppose.

       The ancient, real, true spirit of Hinduism is liberalism, tolerance of divergent beliefs (even beliefs which deny the existence of any gods).

       Lastly every person born in India whether he affirms his faith in sanatana dharma or not or whether he is a supporter of pakistan cricket team has an equal right to live, stay, prosper in this country.

       The right of a person to live, thrive, work and be free in his own country (as long as he does not crush the freedom of others), must be sacred and not depend on the will of others who call themselves majority. The majority may be because of caste, religion or language spoken.

       In other words, I am also affirming here that Kashmiri pandits have every right to stay in their homes without being driven out by muslims.
     • arisebharat says:

       April 17, 2012 at 2:29 pm

       @ Rocky,
       WE use We because the Arisebharat team is a We.. Your response to the links is surprising. You asked for atleast one reference. We gave you. Then you suddenly jump the issue to Rama.. On one hand you have the Pope indicating that St.Thomas came only to the Western parts of Bharat and you suddenly jump to his defence saying that many people question Rama. “Many people” are not the same as the “authoritative postion” the pope is in for Christians. For any comparison, you should have been researching a Shankaracharya or a person of that level who says that Rama did not exist.

       We have reiterated in the past and also do so now that we are not against Christianity but will protest any form of conversion through fraud and abuse of Hindu Gods.

       At the same time, we definitely support initiatives like BIRD run by Mr.Benjamin.

       The rest of your comment on this issue is nothing that we find anything objectionable.
   • Mastan says:

     April 11, 2012 at 2:16 pm

     My dear friend,
     First you go through the links provided in this article what christianity is,which is all crusades. what the right you have to raise questions about Hinduism.
     You told that Christianity and islam are indian culture.This itself represents your ambiguity in understanding religion and culture.These two are foreign religions in addition many religions,where the religion means one man ,one book and one God only.The culture represents to a particular groupd of people with particular borders. you are mixing these both and drawing your own conclusion which is baseless.Islam and christinity are just hundreds of years only.
     but Hindu Dharma is of lakhs and crores of years,with which you can not compare.And why we are speaking only these 2 foreign religions,when there are so many other foreign religions.Because these 2 are the only religions which are promoting separatism in this land or in Hindus. where as the other(religions)s are not.

     It is foolishness to comment history unless knowing the facts. Now the worlwide historians proved that aryan invasion is myth and the word represents the ‘nobleness’. we the Hindus are the only people below to this land,which is proved by the DNA test also.Parsis of India never tried to convert people and woo for monetary funds and never encourage for separitism.

     Teh quotation ‘vasudhaiva kutumbakam’ is in Hindus only not in bible or quran. So teach these points in out of India not to Hindus.If Hindus dont thinks this Today there will be only Hindus in Bharat.

     Coming to Conversions,the people who are outside India never tried to convert others.Who are converting to Hinduism only because of our values. If Hindus want to convert 100 years back itself Swami Vivekananda would have done it.

     I agree with you some extent that the root cause of conversion is poverty.But if it is true then what about the so called upper castes. It is foolishness that without knowing the basics fo your own history,your own culture and commenting about culture and conversion. Having christians and hindus as family members does not represent secular. So Don’t be hypocryte,First know what you are and who are.

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     • Rocky says:

       April 12, 2012 at 10:49 am

       @ Mastan,

       Due to paucity of time, I will give a quick reply.

       In the west, the Hindu organisations take advantage of the emotional poverty of westerners to entice them to give up attending church and adopt some Hindu practices like Yoga, meditation, chanting etc.

       Similarly, the christian organisations take advantage of the financial poverty of some Hindus to entice them to Christianity.

       So let us stop being hypocritical here.

       By the way, I like your sense of double standards…
       You say, “Who are converting to Hinduism only because of our values.”

       Those who convert to Hinduism all over the world, do only because of values, whereas those Hindus who convert to other religions always convert because of money or force. (In other words, in your opinion, other religions have no values… )

       As Lord Krishna said in Gita, you must accept that for different people at different levels of intellect, different religious ways might be more suitable.

       I think you need to stop thinking in such black and white terms based on some propaganda of some groups.

       Of course having said this, I am a liberal and am against any conversions by use of force or conversion of people who are mentally sick, below 18, illiterate or disabled.

       If money is involved, as long as the converted and the converter know what they are doing, it is purely their personal problem. If a woman marries an old man for his money and his well aware that he may not be able to keep her happy; as long as the bride and groom know what they are doing, why should you or me be against it.

       The laws of the state or other mob groups should not interfere in the area of personal freedoms.
     • Mastan says:

       April 12, 2012 at 1:02 pm

       Hi Rocky,
       I agree with the Gita ‘you must accept that for different people at different levels of intellect, different religious ways might be more suitable’,But it does not imply that forcefully whatever you wish. Conversion at the level of belief and understanding is accepted, not but on betrayal or attacking the others.you can promote your religion but can not scold the others. The christianity is doing this thing from hundreds of years.It is not based on Propaganda. It is my own experience where every day in the church used to comment the Hindu Gods,which is not tolerable. you can easily find in each every village inIndia these type of people. So come to the ground level facts and know the reality .
     • Rocky says:

       April 17, 2012 at 9:30 am

       In the west, the Hindu organisations take advantage of the emotional poverty of westerners to entice them to give up attending church and adopt some Hindu practices like Yoga, meditation, chanting etc.

       Similarly, the christian organisations take advantage of the financial poverty of some Hindus to entice them to Christianity.

       So let us stop being hypocritical here.

       If some people comment on Hindu gods, combat them on the intellectual level.

       Encourage people using non-violent tactics to avoid them/boycott those groups. No violence or force should be involved.

       C’mon Mastan grow up. While I was in Europe I have seen so many newspaper articles and books which claimed that Jesus was a homosexual. But I did not see mobs of fanatics like you crowding the bookstalls and burning the books. Neither did I see anyone wanting to throw the author out of Europe.

       Even I have seen so many paintings in European art galleries, which depict Jesus or Mary in the nude. But I have not seen Christian mobs sanctioned by pope or others coming and forcing the artist out of the country or burning the house of the artist. (Just like some pseudo-Hindu groups chased out MF Hussein from India).

       We are in 21st century. Let us accept freedom of thoughts and stop acting like junior talibans (trying to kill all those who ‘denigrate’ the prophet).

       And those are so fond of Islamic tactics of violence and intolerance of free thoughts (even artistic expressions) can join those Islamic groups or some groups like Shiv Sena or MNS which freely believe in intimidation, violence or force against even other Indians.

       Let them not spoil the name of genuine Hinduism, because I believe that true Hinduism practised liberal thinking, freedom of thought even before it happened in the west.

       For example, when Lord Ram heard the dhobi talking ill about Sita, he did not get the dhobi killed, despite the fact that he was the king of the land. Instead he himself sacrificed Sita.

       That is true Hinduism for you.
2. paul says:

   March 29, 2012 at 11:39 am

   Hi all,
   Every individual loves his own religion and every individual has his own faith gods.
   but why Hindus get afraid that if listen to the gospel of christ , maiy hindus convert, that is why you hindus behave rudely as devils against christians , never give value to your own values. you even kill and rape belivers.

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   • arisebharat says:

     March 30, 2012 at 6:15 am

     Why is it that Christians in Christian dominated states like Nagaland oppose and exterminate non-Christian workers. Why is that the church sponsored terrorist activities flourish in the North East. As I said earlier, it is the Christians who have raped and killed non-believers across the world including Bharat. Have you heard about the Goa inquisition where lacs of Hindus were butchered in Goa by the Portuguese just because they were non-Christians and refused to convert.

     The track record of christians suggest that they play low only till they are a majority. Once they reach a sizeable number, then they start attacking the non-christians. It is a strategy that has been played all over the world. So dont try to fool around talking about peace and love.

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   • DK says:

     March 30, 2012 at 10:42 am

     please enlighten yourself. http://www.jesusneverexited.com

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   • The Confused Orient says:

     March 31, 2012 at 5:49 pm

     Dear “Chosen One” of the exclusivist faith,

     What happened to all the native traditions and faths of those lands where Church entered ? Latin America, Europe, America, ….?

     Do not preach us, try elsewhere.

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   • The Confused Orient says:

     March 31, 2012 at 5:54 pm

     Dear “chosen one” of the exclusivist faith.

     Please do not preach us.

     Could you explain what became of the native faiths of Latin, Central, North Americas, of Europe, of other lands where Christianity entered ?

     Oh come one friend.

     - An Idolator (because I believe the Omnipotent, Omniscient manifest as this creation, exists in the Idol too, which we use for easier understanding and focus)

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3. sachin says:

   March 27, 2012 at 8:03 am

   We all need to plan for a long term to break their dreams.Such as

   1. Take control of all media which is driven by @#$ people.
   2. Spread knowledge,information on history and rich culture which will help our people to differentiate between reality and fraud.
   3. Unit all of us under one roof.
   4. Oppose such people/(may be relatives) in public if they are involve in such of activities.
   5. Stop voting Congress and only Vote who posses characteristic of Indian culture.
   6. Create our own media channels and spread actual knowledge.
   7. Don’t ignore small activity , movement by such #*** people.
   8. Keep eye and resist them if they try to mimic our style to spread their #$##

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4. anant narayana says:

   March 22, 2012 at 8:34 pm

   the author is a very narrow minded fellow and who ever is supporting his views and comments against christianity is like wise the same. Most of the people do not know what the christianity has done for the betterment of the poor people in india. if today the india is shining because of christians prayer for the nation and harmony among the people. and more over christianity teaches to forgive those who hate you. not like hindutva eye for eye and tooth for tooth. if this is the ideology hindutva continues there will blood shed all over the country and then the whole nation will be under the threat .

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   • arisebharat says:

     March 29, 2012 at 3:04 am

     Christian crusades have had the bloodiest history in the world and have been the cause of extermination of millions of native people across the world. You would do good to study the Christian history of Europe and America to understand what Christianity did to the natives there before you preach peace to the Hindus.

     The Hindus understand what peace means better than any other civilization in the world and we have now realized that these predatory converting creeds are just wolf in sheeps clothing.

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   • Mastan says:

     March 30, 2012 at 6:43 am

     your repsonse itself shows who is narrow minded mr Anant.yes we know that what christianity has done for India.Before what has done for Poor people know how they became poor and what is the reason.If today India is shining because of prayers,Most of the places in the world are not shining so u r not praying for them.or u r the reason behind them. If Hindutva is ey for eye,then today we do’nt see any christian or muslim in Bharat. While drinking milk,the closed eyes cat thinks that no one are watching.In the same way,All of the world knows what Christianity is.

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     • Rocky says:

       April 17, 2012 at 9:37 am

       I agree with Mastan. Christianity and Islam have together killed more people in the name of religion than many wars put together. In case of Muslims they are still killing people (both fellow Muslims and non-muslims) in huge numbers. Most of the current conflict zones in the world are those in which Muslims are involved or bordered by Muslim majority countries.

       However, if Hindus do not watch themselves carefully and join ‘pseudo-Hindu’ organisations, they will catch up these religions. Instead of trying to work for a fair, liberal, justice-minded, well governed India which respects all its citizens equally, some of us are becoming part of organisations which believe in ‘us’ and ‘them’ , dividing India along communal lines.

       Any organisation which tries to classify Indians based on caste, religion or language or region is dangerous for this country.

       We need a political party of professionals, liberals and educated Indians who want to make India a developed country, not the congress with its corruption and appeasement of minority policies, nor the ‘BJP with its nazi-type ultra nationalism and ‘as long as the killed one is non-Hindu we have no problem’ attitude.

       Both are dangerous to the country. The Italian born madam and the Pakistani born partition-scarred old man.
5. Rahul says:

   February 26, 2012 at 8:06 pm

   Mr.author ,before speaking about this conversion you should have studied about the reasons for Christian conversions on rise….well I give …

   conversion is high among lower castes who were thrown out from temples by people from your c**** ……so just shut the hell and start treating people with some respect.It is just because of the upper caste Hindus ,these people are moving towards others…..

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   • arisebharat says:

     March 29, 2012 at 3:07 am

     The author has well studied the reasons for Christian conversion. Well, there is no caste in South Korea why is conversion on the rise there. There is no caste in Sudan, why has the country recently faced a civil war and have carved a new Christian nation.

     While each nation has its weakness, the Indians have indulged in self-flagellating before even trying to understand the evil design of the Christian conversion machinery.

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   • Panna says:

     March 30, 2012 at 11:37 am

     @Rahul … I guess the fact is that not only the lower cast people get converted, but the poor people get converted! Do you get hints? Well, talk to few people who got converted recently you would know.

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     • Rocky says:

       April 17, 2012 at 10:30 am

       Poverty is the main reason for conversion to any religion.

       Emotional poverty is the reason for conversion to Islam in the west and for conversion to specialised Hindu groups like Hare Krishna. (These days in European cities in street squares Hare Krishnas can be seen preaching.)

       Financial poverty/lack of governance is the main reason for conversion to Christianity.

       Religions like Zoroastrianism (Parsis), Jews and Hindus do not believe in conversion. That is against their religious ethos.

       Some ‘pseudo-hindu’ groups have emerged and want to emulate Islam/Christianity, but they go against the grain of true Hinduism.

       Parsis are going down the road to even extinction, but refuse to convert others into their religion. On the other hand, there are close to 1 billion Hindus in the world today (much larger than the population of Hindus say in 1900 or 1960), but some ‘pseudo-Hindu’ groups continue to propagate the myth that Hinduism is about to die. How funny is that…?
6. Laxminarayana says:

   November 1, 2011 at 5:53 pm

   I am with Samavedam Sarmagaru. what ever he said is correct. every person wants to hand over his hard earned property to his kins it is too similar to that. the divine knowledge which we received from our ancestors should pass on to our younger generations, for this sake we must fight against this conversion and so called secularism. Spiritualism preaches about eashwara, but chrisrians what they preaches is untrue. what they preaches and follow is different.

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   • Rocky says:

     April 17, 2012 at 10:44 am

     Well said Laxmi.

     And to pass that ‘divine’ knowledge to the future, you are willing to support asuric (demonic) individuals like Modi or Thackerey or Bajrang Dal types who will not hesitate to killl innocents.

     (For eg. Dara Singh who killed even the younger children of Australian missionaries Steines. I would not have minded at all, if the due process of law punished the missionaries for fraudulent conversions, but killing of innocent children…..!!)

     Remember that demons can get incarnated in any religion. Some examples of demons (rakshasa births) in Chrisitianity – Stalin, Hitler etc.

     Other demons in Islam – Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein (who gassed his own countrymen).

     Similarly, I believe that people like Bal Thackerey have been blessed with demi-rakshasa spirits.

     How do you identify a rakshasa/asura spirit versus a divine spirit?

     Very simple. The raskshasas enjoy killing and violence even innocent people. Only a political, ideological or some other excuse is enough for them.

     On the other hand, see the best example of a divine spirit- Mahatma Gandhi. Even though he had strong ideology he never promoted violence. He said “there are many causes for which I am willing to die, but there is NO cause for which I am willing to kill….”.
     Wow..what a profound statement.

     Similarly, look at another divine person Jesus. When one of his disciple used a sword to resist the arrest of Jesus and injured one soldier, Jesus is said to have used his spiritual powers to heal that person immediately.

     Same with Lord Buddha.
     Lord Krishna and Lord Rama, used violence as a last resort, but it is clear they are divine because they never used a violent situation as an excuse to kill innocent people.

     In fact, despite being born as brother of Ravana, Lord Ram embraced him and treated him with honour. (Contrast this with the philosophy of many asuric ‘pseudo-Hindu’ organisations which say that if someone is Muslim, probably he/she is less patriotic… The same violent philosophy that led Modi and his henchmen to butcher innocent Muslims to avenge Godra train killings of Hindus…. No one would have faulted Modi if he had used the due process of law to bring those who are guilty in the train incident to book. But Modi preferred the mafia-style rakshasa philosophy.)

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7. nelsonbabu says:

   October 30, 2011 at 5:09 pm

   dear all
   This is ridiculous to see such un founding fear. Fear out of fundamentalism takes an ugly turn.The so called preachers of Hindu faith just survive on spreading this kind of hatred against people of other faiths. This happens because they do not respect either divinity or humanity. These highly selfish and arrogant beings can not under stand any scripture.hence they misquote and misrepresent scriptures.They speak as they like because there is no regulating mechanism intrinsically. press and officials just do not respond to such people for the fear of public ire. It is always these Hindu preachers deceive gullible Hindus who never cared to check with the scriptures. Look at the mushrooming ashramas which just grab any government land and causing much inconvenience to the locals near by. Christianity reason out things, its theology comes down to the common man. Of course Christ did the same thing. He showed God to people in kindness rather than cruel sacrifices. If any one respects human life he or she is a christian. If you have a message that the whole world could listen. Take a challenge and do it. If you do not have one just shut up. Do not blame others. Buddhism born on Indian soil has its message spread across the globe.why not Shanmuga sharma do that. instead of bleeding for others.

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   • arisebharat says:

     November 1, 2011 at 1:35 pm

     @Nelsonbabu, Christian crusaders have destroyed civilizations, killing millions all over the world and they are on an unfinished agenda in Asia. The cruelty that Christian missionaries have exhibited over centuries is at par only by their cousins, the Islamic Jehadis. So it would be good if you do some reading about crusades before commenting on Hindu ashramas.

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8. NAIDU says:

   October 28, 2011 at 9:06 am

   HI
   THIS WILL CONTINUE TILL A STRONG REVOLT… ONE WHICH IS UNWAVERING AND PERSISTANT WILL ARISE FROM THE HINDUS… ALSO MAJOR REASON PEOPLE GET CONVERTED IS DUE TO CLAIMS OF HEALINGS … WELL I CHALLENGE ANY PASTOR TO HEAL A SMALL BLEEDING CUT RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES SO THAT NOT EVEN A SCAR IS LEFT … WELL IF HE CLAIMS WE HAVE NO FAITH ,THEN ET HIM CURE INSTANTLY ANY ACCIDENT VICTIM WHO IS ALSO A CHRISTIAN… POINT BEING LET HIM CURE BLEEDING AND WOUNDS THAT CAN BE SEEN BY THE NAKED EYES NOT SOME INTERNAL ORGAN BULL SHIT
   …. IAM FROM A.P. AND YES THIS CONVERSION WAVE IS SO VERY TRUE … WHAT THE AUTHOR HAS SAID IS DAMN REAL AND HINDUS NEED TO FIGHT …

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9. Reddy says:

   October 25, 2011 at 8:09 pm

   This is a massive topic but I think the problem comes down to two fundamental factors. Money and reach. Very few Hindus have received Hindu teachings in a systematic didactic way. They pick up Hindu teachings almost by osmosis from family, friends, surrounding village etc.. The whole thing is very precarious. You can see the evidence. The moment a Hindu moves to U.S, Australia, Fiji etc. this osmosis process is disrupted and his Hindu-ness begins to erode and the children of that Hindu lose most touch with Hinduism and become Hindu by name only. This is why majority of Hindus in Fiji have converted to christianity. But one need not leave India to see this phenomenen. In the village itself many Hindus from the working class and poor have no outlets teaching them Hinduism and thus Hinduism’s hold on many Hindus is feeble to begin with. In other words many of these Hindus are not fully enfranchised in the Hindu tradition to begin with. In other words, many of the poor and working class Hindus who make up the majority of Hindus in India don’t have time and money to go to a bookstores and look for books explaining Hinduism. They are more concerned with whether this year’s monsoon will be good enough to enable them to school both their children instead of just one. He certainly does not have time and money to go to bookstores and systemically fill up his gaps in knowledge about Hinduism. Suddenly well funded christian missionaries come into his village bringing gifts such as fishing nets for fisherman, grinders, houses to converts etc.. And they bring with them bibles, knowlegable preachers, consise pamphlets and books and workshops all systematically laying out their christian theology ALL FREE OF CHARGE. Believe me if Hindus also sent out knowlegable preachers, pamphlets, books and workshops all systematically laying out their theology they would have 100 times the success of some beer drinking foreign missionary whose own children back in the west have multiple sexual partners before they turn 18. No one likes to leave the tradition of their land and ancestors. You need look no further than Iskcon, Shirdi Sai Baba, Swami Narayan etc.. Any Hindu who enters these organizations is impervious to conversion. However the greatest problem for these Hindu organizations is money. They don’t have even a fraction of the funds that these western christian organizations have. Generally speaking there aren’t many systematized teaching efforts or institutions to propagate Vedic Dharma. And make no mistake their is a nexus between intelligence agencies of the west and these christian groups. Any country that gives up its native civiliztion for chritianity will become a slave of the west. Just look at the Philippines. It is the ony christian country in Asia. Today more than 110 years after Americans first set foot in Philippines, prostituition is rampant. The prostitution houses were first set up to serve American soldiers. But long after the Americans left, the degenirate mind set that was introduced to the Philippino mind is still there. Today the philippino man views the philippino women as a sexual object. You can not go down any road in Philippino cities without coming across sex bars and lounges. But you won’t find many christian missionaries in the philippines since the country has been rendered impotent and its native culture has been exterminated and it will never rise like neighboring Malaysia. In other words the western intelligence/missionary objective of permanently weakening the nation has been achieved and thus no need to waste money sending missionaries to the Philippines. Look at South Korea. 40% of population has become Christian in last 50 years. The korean culture has eroded severely. Things like sex before marriage has exploded in south korea and people don’t even want to get married which has led to a plummeting birth rate with south korea having one of the lowest birth rates in the world threatning future prosperity as south korea ages and becomes elderly. And in christianized societies who takes care of the elderly? Nursing homes. In america, australia etc the youth view elderly as burden to be shed. This is opposite of our Vedic Sanatana Dharma. Koreans are now getting surgery to straighten their mongloid eyes to look more white. Who can blame them since they are told that there god is a white man with blue eyes name jesus who was absurdly born in palestine. Despite korea’s advanced industrial base they inexplicably buy billion’s of dollars in high-priced second rate export versions of american military equipment which is dependent on highly unreliable spare parts from america. The U.S is notorious for cutting of spare parts to countries that don’t follow her dictates thus rendering the military equpment useless. Recently when south korea was toying with idea of buying a super advanced Israeli radar the U.S immediately demanded an explaination and south korea immediately bowed to its American master and purchased the American radar. Look at what happened to Iran. In the 1970s Iran was touted as a regional super power because of its Army being armed with advanced U.S military hardware. But once the Iranians had an Islamic revolution that put Iran’s interests ahead of the wests the U.S cut off all spare parts to Iran and rendering the army impotent in a span of just a few months. India and China are no fools. They realize this which is why they do so many indigenous projects from submarines, to space rockets, to aircraft. We can complain about the quality of these products but at least they are not spending precious hard currency on importing slave-inducing American equipment. So it is puzzling that a country as industrially advanced as south korea has never developed a space booster like India or China and yet has billions of dollars to import worthless Americans equipment. The brains of this American military equipment refered to as source codes are held by the Americans. In essence this allows the Americans to control the south korean military like a puppet master controls a puppet. But all this makes sense in light of christians playing a prominet role in south korea today. Even the south korean president is a christian. South korea inexplicably sent its army to Iraq to help America. Iraq is of no strategic consequence to south koreans and yet korean sons and daughters were sent to Iraq to bleed and die defending AMERICICA’S interests not korea’s. But all of this makes perfect sense when you understand that the christian missionaries are less interested in spreading the teachings of jesus than in subverting the indigenous culture and independence of a society with the aid of western inelligence agencies. We all know that wherever christians have become a majority in India separitism has exploded and the locals have become wannabe westerners who feel no pride in anything of their own. Such a people will be subservient to their white masters and can never lead their native lands to greatness. The mission of these missionaries is colonialism OF THE MIND. You never have to take over the land of a people if you conquer their minds and this is what missionary christianity is. If orthodox christinaity like that you find in Russia was to come to India then the U.S would have a big problem becuse the the the russian othodox church teaches super loyalty to the Russian state and views itself as the defacto state religion of russia and views all other religions such as western christianity and catholic church as tresspassers and infiltrators to be opposed. If such of type of christianity existed in India you can bet the American government and military/intelligence missionary apparatus would vehemntly oppose it. My Bharatiya brothers. Try to understand the grand geo-strategic game that is being played. Do you think the west is so stupid to abandon direct colonialism without having planted the seeds of a plan B for maintaining their dominance in the world. Missionaries are one such major tool. Wake up and raise your children in our tradition and donate money to groups like Iskcon, Chinna Jeeyar organization, Himalayan Academy etc. that produce books and pamphelts and are trying to preserve our Sanatana Dharma. Also put your money where your mouth is and raise your children to raise their children in our tradition and to donate money. Life is short. Whatever money, wealth, resources we have is because Bhagawan has given it to us. Out of gratitude should we not give back to preserve the very traditions he gave us which is under severe attack by the forces of Kali Yugam and is at risk of disappearing. Do you want to look back on your short life and say I wish I had or I’m glad I did.

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   • arisebharat says:

     October 28, 2011 at 9:35 am

     Sri Reddy garu, would you like to contribute to the cause in some way. Let us know on arisebharat@gmail.com

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   • Rocky says:

     April 17, 2012 at 11:05 am

     Sri Reddy,

     Donate to some organisations which are doing good work not to some ‘pseudo-Hindu’ organisation which will kill fellow Indians in the name of a religion.

     Divine incarnations can happen in any religion. Please read the book by Yogi Paramhansa Yogananda.

     Get out of this geo-political mindset and conspiracy theories. In fact most of the countries you mention like US, UK etc. are now being controlled by Asians including Indians.

     In America alone close to 3 millions Indians are there. Same with UK, where in some areas there are so many Indians that you might only see a white man with great difficulty.

     Don’t fall prey to all this propaganda crap and narrow your mind. Today the population of Hindus is much higher than it was in 1900 or 1960. It is more than 1 billion worldwide I am told and not about to become extinct anytime soon.

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10. krish says:

    September 21, 2011 at 8:30 am

    my dear hindus dont convert to other religions……it is just like solding ur mother……
    proud to be hindu

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11. Sunjay says:

    August 26, 2011 at 5:46 pm

    I don’t understand, why people of Andhra Pradesh are so willing to convert, I live in Bengal and even though was ruled by communists by so long I don’t know one person who converted out of Hinduism personally, maybe some poor people do once in a while but its really insignificant, most are religious Hindus, even communist party members are practicing Hindus. None of my relatives will dare to convert, our family will completely disown, our grandparents might even get an heart attack, and we are not brahmins, infact we are obc actually. I think most of India is like that except may be tribal areas and remote areas like north east. Even those tribals who live close to non-Tribals tend to be good Hindus. Why is AP so different?

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    • arisebharat says:

      October 28, 2011 at 9:41 am

      Sujayji, AP is not different…It is a case study state for the Xtian missionaries. Most of N.Eastern states have become Xtian. A very high section in Tamilnadu is Xtian, owing to the fact that Xtian missionaries established large institutions there. In AP in the recent past when YS Rajasekhar Reddy was CM & with Sonia at Centre, there was huge amount of support to the missionaries who got a free hand. Due to a high amount of de-hinduisation by the communists, the situation was ripe for the missionaries. An organized attempt with govt support was the reason why the conversion happened. When you look at Bengal, the same thing is happening with the Muslim conversion rate due to infiltration. Why is the society there unable to stop the demographic change ? The net result is that demographically, the Hindus are getting weakened. Though on a large scale, the non-Hindu numbers seem to be only 20% nationwide, they are far more dominant, since they operate in pockets where they populate beyond 35%.

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12. satish says:

    July 28, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    “Satyameva Jayathe ”

    “Sarvapapa pariharom raktha prokshana mavasyam, thad raktham paramathmena punya dana baliyagam”++====

    blood is neede to remove this worlds sin but not the blood of animals but God alone should come to this world and only His blood can do this.

    think with your heart, understanding scriptures is knowing God

    God bless you my Friend.

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    • arisebharat says:

      August 1, 2011 at 8:07 am

      @ Satish..So now you have to rely on the good old Sanskrit to prove His existence….Can you kindly quote the reference from where you have lifted this quote ?

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    • Jyothi says:

      March 27, 2012 at 9:01 am

      Thertiriya Aranyaka verse 3 says, “Sarvapapa pariharo raktha prokshna mavasyam” which means, that the redemption is through shedding of blood only. For this purpose God allowed mankind to sacrifice animals, in order to make them realize that there is a penalty for everyone’s sins. Though the animal’s blood is not a substitute, it was expected that man would repent and turn away from his sinful ways, by seeing the blood of the animal which is being shed on his behalf. But mankind started practicing it just as a ritual, and thus came into condemnation.

      If mankind were to be saved from this predicament, as Thertiriya Aranyaka 3rd verse says again, “…thad raktham Paranatmena punyadena baliyagam” which means, that blood has to be through the sacrifice of God himself. The Purusha Sukta says, there is no other way other than the sacrifice of Purusha Prajapati. Purushao vava yagna (Chandokya Upanishad 3.16.1), God, the Purusha is the sacrifice. Sama Veda Dandiya Mahabhramanam says, “Prajapathi devapyam aathmanam yagnam kruthva prayachita” which means, God will offer himself as a sacrifice for the redemption of mankind. Sathpatha Bhramanam says, “Prajapathi yagnayaga”.
      Is there any one who sacrificed himself for your sins in any avatar?

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      • arisebharat says:

        March 29, 2012 at 3:01 am

        The Dead Sea Scrolls clearly depict that Jesus Christ never existed. How about trying to prove that Jesus did exist before you ask questions about the meaning of Vedic suktas. How about trying to clarify why the 4 gospels all have different stories about Jesus and there is no consensus.

        Mis-propaganda to convert is an old-Christian method and you are continuing the same.
        Readers are advised to go through the link below for the popular mis-propaganda the Christian missionaries are indulging in and the answers to their questions,

        http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=11357
      • likeanyone says:

        April 10, 2012 at 11:00 am

        The Prajapati you mentions here is not the dead man Jesus. He is actually the father of Sati… Look for the video ” Mahadev ki Kahani”
13. saurav says:

    January 1, 2011 at 4:13 pm

    I think that it is wrong to blame only dalits and telling them that only they are converting to christianity.

    All the christians I have seen especially Nairs from Kerala are all Brahmins who converted to Christianity.

    In Wikipedia (i dont know we can trust or not) but it is clearly mentioned that whent he Moghals started ruling India the first person to convert to Islam were Brahmins because they found the new religion to suit their apetitie for power and control.

    I know there is caste system continuing in Indian christians so Brahmins also convert a lot.

    Currently I think only people left defending Hinduism in India are the Kshathriyas . I dont know about OBC people but main politicians in BJP like Narendra Modi, Shivraj Singh Chauhan etc are all OBC. So my guess is that atleast OBC are not converting.

    What i feel is that Hinduism will be more strong if weak people leave the religion. Opportunists will always be opportunists. Today Christianity , tommorow if suppose Islam again gains prominence then they will convert to Islam because their blood is like that.

    So I say that if the Dalits and Brahmins are converting en mass then let them convert…….We should not get flustered.

    If the Brahmins go away then atleast the Caste system based on Birth invented by Brahmins will also automatically die which is good for Hinduism.

    Strong people but less people will mean better chance of defending Hinduism.

    Har Har Mahadev.
    Jai Shri Ram.

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14. Varunpenta says:

    July 26, 2010 at 12:55 am

    let the people free. Cmon everybody in andhra knows there are conversions but let’s not get overboard on this people. Its a very small percentage really. Millions and millions and millions are still hindus. So whats there to fear. We must not become emotional on this. Let nobody bring some more division among the people of andhra. Hindus are going to be majority for hundreds of years so why fear. We must not bother about conversions. Christians are our brothers. They are not our enemies. Hinduism teaches this. So do not corrupt Hinduism and make Hindus hate Christianity and christians. Do not change Hinduism into a hate others religion or a violent religion. True Hinduism promotes peace and harmony

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    • Reddy says:

      October 25, 2011 at 8:52 pm

      It is the christians who hate us brother! Who is the one that calls the other demon worshippers? Who is the one that asks converts to stomp on and smash portraits of the other to test the sincerity of their conversion. There is a war being waged. At the present rate Andhra will become a neutral state like Taiwan or South Korea where a Taoist father has a catholic wife, buddhist son, protestant daughter and atheist grandson. If that happens India will not be India and will just be a place on the map. Women will where tight mini-skirts and dye their hair and men will think drinking and smoking are “cool” and how many sex partners you have had will be a status symbol instead of seva and religosity. Please visit Taiwan or South Korea, Philippines or Nigeria. All these countries are victims of conversion. Then visit neighboring North Korea, Malaysia and Niger and you will see what existed before the western inetelligence missionary apparatus set foot in these societies. In Amrican schools Anal sex, masturbation, and oral sex are taught to 12 year olds and condoms are given in school. Try to understand brother that the teachings of Jesus heve no relationship to modern-day christian societies like America and the missionaries they send to countries like India. We will become a pornographic society with in 100 years. Please visit any of the countries and see if any conversions have uplifted the country as a whole and just one or two clinics or fishing boats.

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15. SIVA says:

    July 25, 2010 at 6:50 am

    Interview of a Christian Evangelist in India

    By: Bandyopadhyay Arindam

    The world today could have been a much better place for all of us, had we all refrained from trying to prove the superiority of our own religion………..

    This is an interview of “Father Johnson’ after his award by the Government of India for his exemplary work in India in enlightening the people in the path of the ONLY God. Father Johnson returned to the USA after 10 years of service, to uplift the people of India in the name of God. The interview was taken in July 2005 by a journalist in Houston, USA……

    Welcome home Father. You have been in India for 10 years, where “our mission’ is still going on. Tell me Father, how is India?

    India is a fascinating country, a land of contrasts. Modern India is the largest democracy, the budding economic superpower, with the second-largest pool of scientists and engineers in the world. India is also the only surviving ancient civilization with over one sixth of the world population. At one time, not so long ago, when Europe was in the “dark ages’ and America was not even “discovered’, India was a far advanced and developed country with a contribution of over 25% of world GDP till the 17th century and far advanced in all aspects of life, be it knowledge, philosophy, science, mathematics, arts, astronomy or navigation.

    Ella Wheeler Wilcox, (1850-1919), American poet and journalist, wrote “India – The land of Vedas, the remarkable works contain not only religious ideas for a perfect life, but also facts which science has proved true. Electricity, radium, electronics, airship, all were known to the seers who founded the Vedas.”

    Dick Teresi, American author of “Lost Discoveries’ mentioned “Some one thousand years before Aristotle, the Vedic people asserted that the earth was round and circled the sun….Two thousand years before Pythagoras, philosophers in northern India had understood that gravitation held the solar system together, and that therefore the sun, the most massive object, had to be at its center….Twenty-four centuries before Isaac Newton, the Hindu Rig-Veda asserted that gravitation held the universe together….. The Sanskrit speaking people subscribed to the idea of a spherical earth in an era when the Greeks believed in a flat one…..The Indians of the fifth century A.D. calculated the age of the earth as 4.3 billion years; scientists in 19th century England were convinced it was 100 million years…”

    Despite all its riches, history says that India never invaded any country. On the contrary, India has been repeatedly assaulted and conquered by numerous invaders and has been ruled by “foreigners’, first the Muslims and then the British for over a thousand years. India, before the advent of the British rulers, was a rich and prosperous country.
    Rev. Jabez T. Sunderland (1842-1936), Unitarian minister and reformer, wrote that “…when the British first appeared on the scene, India was one of the richest countries of the world; indeed, it was her great riches that attracted the British to her shores. For 2,500 years before the British came on the scene and robbed her of her freedom, India was self-ruling and one of the most influential and illustrious nations of the world ….. This wealth was created by the Hindus’ vast and varied industries.”

    What about Hinduism as a religion?

    Hinduism has a deep philosophical and spiritual heritage that has repeatedly mesmerized the world including western scientists, leaders and philosophers. Despite propaganda to the contrary, Hindus, like us, believes in one Supreme God but they do so in many forms, that helps to develop personalized relations. Hinduism is the oldest major religion in the earth with 900 million followers. Unlike monotheistic institutionalized, religions like Judaism, Islam or Christianity, it is not based on any single prophet or scripture, but allows its followers all the freedom to pursue God and Truth in their own way, while living harmoniously with all creation.

    We know that the Hindus are tolerant of other religions. Recently, UNESCO pointed out that out of 128 countries where Jews lived before Israel was created, only one, India, did not persecute them and allowed them to prosper and practice Judaism in peace. Similarly the Zoroastrians, when driven out of Persia by Islam were given shelter by the Hindus in India and still coexist in India peacefully. Very recently, the Dalai Lama, driven from Buddhist Tibet, has been accepted with open arms. Such is the ethos of Hinduism and India.

    I have heard that Mark Twain once said that “In religion all other countries are paupers; India is the only millionaire’. I have also read Arnold Toynbee’s writing “…at the religious level, India has not been a recipient; she has been a giver. About half the total number of the living, higher religions are of Indian origin’. What do you think about it?

    We know India gave birth to religions like Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, and Jainism. Hinduism, though the predominant religion, has, to quote Aldous Huxley, “never been a persecuting faith, have preached almost no holy wars and have refrained from that proselytizing religious imperialism which has gone hand in hand with political and economic oppression of colored people.’

    What many do not know and I will not elaborate further for obvious reasons, is that there are researchers who think that the teachings of Jesus Christ have something to do with the ancient wisdom of Vedas. The Hindu concepts of “karma’, and “reincarnation’, which are part of the New Age Movement that we see today, were not unknown to Jesus.

    Then Father, why do we need to convert people in India?

    You see, we in the western world, have the “white man’s burden’ of civilizing the rest of the world. We also have the need and desire to spread the message of Christ, since we believe that it is the ONLY way to salvation and all other nonbelievers will go to hell. The faith in Christianity is being eroded in Europe and America. That is why our Pope on his visit to India said, “Just as in the first millennium, the Cross was planted on the soil of Europe, and in the second on that of the Americas and Africa, we can pray that in the third Christian millennium a great harvest of faith will be reaped in this vast and vital continent.’

    Why do you target India?

    India is the right country because Hindu Indians are generally peace-loving tolerant, law abiding people who are truthful and virtuous. India”s devotion to being good rather than being clever comes nearer the heart of a true civilization, said W. J. Grant, in his book,
    “The spirit of India’. The unsuspecting Indians have always welcomed everybody on their shore and still keep on doing so. You cannot say the same about a Muslim country or of communist China. You see Hindus are such naive – they go out of their way to say that “all religions are same – they all lead to God’. Christians and for that matter, no other religion, says that.

    Where does your resource come from?

    There are five major aid-giving countries, viz., USA, Germany, Britain, Italy and the Netherlands. According to the available data, in the last decade alone, foreign aid organizations received more than 2.5 billion dollars. This is only official statistics. According to the record and report of the Ministry of Home Affairs, Government of India, the statistics about the foreign aid being received by Indian Non Government Organizations shows that 80% of it is meant only for the Christian organizations that have been buying their ways into the Indian society and converting unsuspecting people under the guise of social service.

    How powerful is Christianity in India?

    Oh, though we are only 2.4% of the population officially, we have a large control over the country because of our economic invasion. You see, the present leader of the main political party-The Congress Party of India is a Roman Catholic with close contact with the Vatican. There are Christian Chief ministers in 5 out of 29 states. Because of the British rule of India, we have a large section of the leaders of India who look up to us. Believe me, we are the second largest land owners in India. We own and control 80% of the Indian media like NDTV 24*7, CNN-IBN ,AAJ TAK, THE TEHELKA etc and newspapers .The best example is how these media made a huge hue and cry over the Gujarat riots.Riots have happened everywhere in India.But in case of Gujarat riots, the reports were deliberately inflated,stories were built up and a systematic,planned malicious and slanderous campaign was launched against the NDA government.
    Inspite of the fact that India took giant leaps in progress in every field and there was a surge in National pride and self confidence for every Indian during their tenure,India’s Most Popular Government led by India’s Finest Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee was made to suffer shock defeat. We overtly or covertly have alliance with key political associations. So it is very easy for us to influence the right people.

    You must have a very organized system?

    Yes, we do. Have you heard about the Joshua Project? It identifies and highlights the people groups of the world that have the least exposure to the Gospel and the least Christian presence and shares this information to encourage pioneer church-planting movements among every ethnic group. The Joshua Project has identified the North India Hindi belt as “the core of the core of the core” because of its population density (40% of the Indian population- the states of Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh lies in this region); it is the religious hub of India; and it has the smallest Christian presence in India. Thus detailed plans have been drawn up to target India’s 75,000 Pin Codes.

    The Seventh Day Adventists owes its Indian success to Canadian evangelist Ron Watts, President for the South Asian Division. When he entered India, in 1997, the Adventist Church had 225,000 members after 103 years of operations. In five years, he took it to 700,000.

    Some methods used include the 10-Village and the 25-Village Programs, which involve five sets of laymen, under guidance from a regular pastor, who identify 10 or 25 villages in close proximity. Once the villages were selected, the teams would approach the leaders of each village and invite them to send two leaders to a 10-day seminar at a nearby resort, at the organization’s expense. It is before no time that the local leaders will then start working for our faith and organization. In 1998, there were seventeen 10-Village Programs and 9,337 were baptized. In 1999, forty programs were held and nearly 40,000 people baptized.
    Under the Christian Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister Y. Samuel Rajashekar Reddy, the Adventists shifted to a 50-village plan. They began baptizing at the rate of 10,000 persons per month and have increased it to 5,000 persons per day all over India.

    The US-based Maranatha Volunteers International provides buildings for the Seventh-day Adventist Church. They are committed to build 750 churches in 2 years in India. The Oregon based, Fjarli family have a goal to build 1000 churches at a rate of 1 per day.

    How do you carry out conversion attempts?

    You see the local people are so simple and naïve that they do not have any clue as what out motive or means are. We target mostly the poor, illiterate, tribal people because they are the easiest to convert. We do that by various means – we establish schools, hospitals that overtly or subtly promote our faith, we allure them with money or goods to the needy when they convert, we “stage’ miracle cures, we use our influence on the media, we use our experts in propaganda, we promote the influential people and so on. We use the money sent to us by unsuspecting religious and faithful Christians from all over the world. We have numerous NGO and AID organizations to funnel the money into the country. There are a great number of missionaries of various denominations who are working there, all literally competing for the most number of converts. The Southern Baptists alone are a group that has nearly 100,000 career missionaries in North India, all working to spread our “good word.”

    We convince the “natives’ by our appearances and even use their own culture. A native converted person will continue to use his Hindu name so as not to alienate himself. Some of the numerous Catholic priests in Southern India dress like “sannyasis’ (monks), and call their organizations “ashramas’ (hermitage). This is to make Christianity more similar to the Vedic traditions. Bharat Natyam, the classical dance of India, is also taught in the Christian schools, but with Christian symbols and meanings replacing the Vedic. This is all in the attempt to actively sway Hindus over to Christianity. The Evangelical Church of India (ECI), established in 1954, targets the slums, scheduled castes and scheduled tribes, in cities and villages. Its logo depicts a cross struck deep in a lotus, the seat of Hindu divinity.

    Is the so called caste system in India an advantage?

    The “Caste-ism in India’ is a boon to us. Though Varna or caste was once an essential part of the culture, based on occupation and vocational skills, which kept the civilization going for over 5000 years, caste-ism is a degenerated socio-political system now that has been declared illegal. However it is one big weapon against Hinduism. We have learnt from the colonial British that it is very easy to divide the population on the basis of caste and religion based politics and we use it to our own interest to the maximum. We join the anti-Hindu forces and help to keep the stigma of caste-ism alive for our own benefit. We target the “untouchables’ (the unprivileged people, that has so marvelously crafted to be a result of the Hindu religion and not the social system) and convert them in the lure of “liberating’ them. However I must confess that we maintain their “untouchability’ by not allowing them to mix with the general Christians, maintaining separate entry to churches and even giving them separate churches and cemeteries.

    We also use opportunities that God gives us. During natural disasters like floods, earthquakes and the recent Tsunami, taking advantage of the need, we were able to convert successfully entire low caste villages in Tamil Nadu to Christianity with the lure of money and aid.

    How successful are you in your conversion attempts.

    Oh we are doing a good job. The Northeast Indian states like Assam, Nagaland, and Manipur, have witnessed a surge of nearly 200% in their Christian population in the past 25 years. Their grasp is so strong now that practicing Hinduism is forbidden in some areas. Hindus can no longer do worship or “puja’ in the open because of our influence.
    In another northeast state, Tripura, where there were no Christians at the time of India’s independence, 55 years ago, there are now over 120,000 today. The figures are even more striking in Arunachal Pradesh, where there were only 1710 Christians in 1961, but over 1 million today, along with over 780 churches. In the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, churches are coming-up every day in far flung villages and there is an attempt to set-up one near Tirupati, the world famous Hindu temple. Many of the North-East separatist movements, such as the Mizo or the Bodos, are not only Christian dominated, but also sometimes function with the covert backing of the missionaries. Christian Nagaland terrorists have been killing non-Christians for decades on end. More than 20,000 people have lost their lives to insurgency in Assam and Manipur in the past two decades. We understand that there are some social problems that crept up – the northeast states are the highest in India in terms of drugs and AIDS related problem – but we accept that as “casualties of war” –that should not deter us from our goal.

    Do you face any resistance?

    Of course we do. But we brand any resistance as “Hindu fundamentalism or militancy” and the media and our favorite leaders take care of the rest. We have set the mind of the unsuspecting population in a way, that whenever any of our people are harassed, attacked or killed, from any reason including their own faults, the blame automatically goes to these so called “Hindu fundamentalist and Communal Elements” and even though almost all of these instances are later proved to have nothing to do with these Hindu groups, the initial hue and cry that is raised makes sure the memories persist in the mind of the populace and the sympathy stays with us. There are instances when nuns have been proved to be raped by Christians, but the blames continues to stay with the Hindus.

    Is there any legal barrier?

    Yes there are some rules and laws that sometimes impair our activities. The Indian Supreme Court had declared that: “The right to propagate religion does not mean the right to convert… Conversion done under allurement, use of force and fraud in which the poverty or ignorance of the individual is taken advantage of, is not only undemocratic but also unconstitutional…Respect for all religions is the foundation of secularism whereas the seeds of conversion lie in religious intolerance.”. Anti conversion laws have been passed in various states. But as I said, we have our ways.

    Sometimes the law does get us though. We had some instances where members of our faith have been convicted with resultant imprisonment or expulsion. As in churches all over the world, some clergymen have been penalized for cases of sexual exploitation, including pedophilia. But that does not deter us from our goal and our almighty Lord takes care of our soul.

    How satisfied are you with the progress of the missions?

    It is really satisfying. We find enormous pleasure in converting the Hindu “pagans’. However I wish we could do more. I wish I could say like St Francis Xavier, during the Goa Inquisition in 1560, “When I have finished baptizing the people, I order them to destroy the huts in which they keep their idols; and I have them break the statues of their idols into tiny pieces, since they are now Christians. I could never come to an end describing to you the great consolation which fills my soul when I see idols being destroyed by the hands of those who had been idolaters.”

    Thank you, Father for your time and honesty.
    Thank you, my son. God bless you.

    Epilogue

    “Christianity offers nothing that is not already available somewhere in the many forms of Hinduism. Hinduism never rejected the teachings of Jesus. Those who have converted either agreed with a gun pressed at their skulls as in Goa, or because it provided an escape from caste tyranny, as well as a guaranteed professional advancement. Through its Vedic legacy, Hinduism respects all faiths. It clearly states that God is one, but has many forms”.
    (Paul William Roberts, author of, “Empire of the Soul: Some journeys in India’)

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    • arisebharat says:

      October 28, 2011 at 9:34 am

      Very interesting material Siva garu

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    • Rocky says:

      April 17, 2012 at 10:59 am

      I have researched this on the net.

      http://blogs.ivarta.com/Interview-an-Evangelist-India/blog-31.htm

      The article clearly says it is a hypothetical interview of “Father Johnson”…. (as I clearly suspected)

      It means that this interview is the product of the author’s ripe imagination.

      Please do not peddle lies and half-truths from the internet to create hatred between Hindus and other communities, between Indians and Indians. Mr. Siva, if you cannot be a true Hindu, then at least do not join these ‘pseudo-Hindu’ organisations and do the Goebbels like game of false alarming propaganda to get recruits and donations.

      As expected Mr. Arisebharat, who otherwise keeps insisting on rigourous and honest research has immediately endorsed this material, calling it ‘interesting’. Shows his leanings…!!

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      • arisebharat says:

        April 17, 2012 at 2:38 pm

        Anybody with a little knowledge of the internet would know this. The writer is a well known columnist and sattirist and the article is very popular on the internet because people empathise with it since they have faced it. It is a pity that you needed to “research” it to get there.

        We did find the article interesting and have commented as such. Our leanings are with Bharat and we have no qualms about it. We have never indulged in hate mongering and jumping to conclusions.

        On the other hand, it is you who have been using terms like hypocrite and making sattirical comments which is unmaking of a person who wants to prove that he has neutral leanings.

        It is the English media which indulges in half truths and we are only putting forth the other side of the picture through our writings and postings.
      • Rocky says:

        April 28, 2012 at 9:32 am

        Mr. Arise bharat,

        Well if your learnings are truly with Bharat, you would clearly articulate that every person born in Bharat has equal and inalienable rights and freedoms. You would not try to divide a wedge between people following some religions vis-a-vis others saying that some are India’s ‘own’ religions and that other ‘religions’ are not India’s own (despite the fact that all major religions in India have been around for more time in India than many of the countries in the world have been in existence….!!)

        So according to me, true Bharat is the idea of confluence. The ‘us’ and ‘them’ is the philosophy of Islam or even christianity.

        Religion, must be considered a purely personal matter and we (in the guise of nationalism) cannot go the way of Islam and start differentiating between Bharatwasis on the basis of this. Personally, I believe this.

        Regarding the article (imaginary interview of Fr. Thomas), Mr. Siva has cleverly ‘forgotten’ to mention that this interview is not a real interview. It certainly gives the impression of a real interview.

        Very typical of those who spread lies and semi-lies to bring more people into their ‘pseudo-Hindu’ agenda of divisiveness.
16. daniel says:

    July 24, 2010 at 8:40 am

    what so long this is going on,i can garuntee that what all the religions making conversions and increasing its population will come to end one day and get submerge in hinduism,people in india chritian missionaries making people conversions,but see the outside world in us uk other christian countries, they r following hindu principles,they read bhagawath geeta,they realize what is life and saying sorry to past life , they read garud puran,and understand what all sins we r doing,and we have done ,for that we seek punishment for how much dear we might be dear to god,doing sin asking forgiveness to father will not wash our sins, and punishments will certainly will be there by mental tensions ,or false tracking.if u need to achieve god one must be pure with mind ,doing and guiding good things to others ,it should be believed that if u r not in the correct track ,it is to be understood that u r not just on the wrong track ,instead u r on to the worst track that will make ur life hell.if iam pure christian in past life i will be try to attain pure hindu that will be ultimate goal, adapting christianity and other religions might be easy but following the principle of hinduism r difficult thats y they get on to wrong track from the main land,challenge urself that i will follow complete hindu principles, people donot know if they eat nonveg, one day they will become nonveg.there is lot more to say i can say just read bhagawat geeta and garuda puran and ramayana, that will make ur life complete, otherwise again u need to take rebirth and face all mental dificulties.so follow the true religion and get free from problem all other attachments like lust,greediness,anger.i will try to have only once sex in my life time for having children only one or 2,can u challenge urself to follow this principle, i bet u can’t ,if u follow this u will be human kind or else u will never be.try to follow idealism.

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17. MANOJ MARADA says:

    June 6, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Namaskar,

    We have to elect pro hindu political parties,As long as we elect this unprincipled Congress we should live and die like this.

    Manoj Marada,
    Dubai,

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18. Raj says:

    May 21, 2010 at 4:46 am

    Hindus awake, defy missionaries.. otherwise no life for us. Missionaries are getting money from foreign and converting people from almost all the castes to Christianity. Defy missionaries and your friends who try to impress you about Christianity. Don’t join your children to christian schools and colleges. Because they will force you to sing christian songs and read bible and soon they will convert to Christianity or at-least they will make them pseudo secular. Coastal Andra’s christian population has crossed 25% of total population. But on the records it’s below 2%. Missionaries are doing whatever possible to convert the Hindus to their fold. The convertees become enemies of the Hinduism once they convert and even they are trying to convert others in to their fold. Let us start movement to revive Hinduism and educate people about the missionaries false propaganda about Hinduism.from every person.

    Join the group ‘Fight against conversion’ in Orkut

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19. siddharth says:

    May 5, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    What is Religion??? Does GOD has his own religion?
    GOD belongs to only particular religion people and reject all other humans?
    All religions in world say that God belongs to them and christians are no different and convert ignorant people.

    Being a hindu i am free to go church or dargah and pray where ever I like, its no crime but for other religions it is crime.
    Hinduism is not a religion but way of life and a collection of all ancient religions.
    Christians say to love jesus you have to convert that itself is a mark of disrespect for religion, jesus and god.

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    • CHRis says:

      June 4, 2011 at 6:33 pm

      You are such an Idiot.People like you wont accept their ‘MOTHER’ as their ‘MOTHER’.Being a HINDU,it is really shameful.You were born to Hindu parents and in a Hindu country,COUNTRY BRUT

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20. Kumar says:

    September 14, 2009 at 7:12 am

    Namaste,
    We have to adopt some of their formule of success.
    Eg. The missionary type of work, sunday prayers, healing prayers etc.
    Every day I pray at 12 noon, turning towards kashi, for the freedom of visweswara temple and all other temples that were captured.
    If someone likes to join, they may.

    I dream, saamoohika trikal sandhyas for unity of natives.
    By the bye, do u kno one Samavedam Elisha, a brahmin convertee ?(converted when elephantasis of his mother was cured by prayers)

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    • Sammaiah (Madiga) says:

      April 19, 2010 at 2:13 am

      I agree with this article. I belong to Khammam. Walkable distance from Badrachalam. It is holi place for hindus but not like Tirupati.
      We moved out of the country as I have been working in abroad for last 25 years. I married and have kids, brought my parents here almost 15 years back. I almost lost in touch with my relatives. Recently we visited India, I arranged a family gathering & came to know 90% of villagers got converted in Christianity (inlcuding some of our relatives). I am not too religious, but I respect my religion. I was in Christian country for so long being a Hindu and my own country people getting converted to Christinity. Accepting Christinity is not a Crime but I don’t agree with the ‘conversion process’.

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      • arisebharat says:

        October 28, 2011 at 9:32 am

        Sammaiah garu, were you able to investigate as to why your relatives converted. Are there anyone among them who are willing to return back to our Dharma. If so, let us know we can help. mail at arisebharat@gmail.com
21. Yash says:

    September 12, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    please check:
    http://www.asitis.com/12/1.html
    Also: http://www.crusadewatch.com
    and http://www.jihadwatch.com
    to understand the
    “ANY WAY” “SANDWICH” PHENOMENON in PROGRESS
    reinforced by the forces of science and technology.

    Using the “WING DING” FONT if you type \
    You will see AUM

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22. Vishnu says:

    September 12, 2009 at 8:30 am

    Guys….. for Once…. stop that Xtian-Muslim conversion…. if they wanna convert…. let them…. why don’t we try reconverting them back ?? After all, it is securalism, one can’t force someone, so if they are doing that (according to the law) legally, then their’s no problem…. we better start doin the same thing…. Ask yourself… how many people do we know have converted to hinduism ?? But them… they can give numbers… BIG numbers… Its just because they are trying and we are not.

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23. NaranH says:

    September 10, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    Kenya is Christan state, Kenyan were made, Christan not to help them but to loot them and supply that loot to the west, which most of the Kenyan are doing that now, looting their own people and depositing that loot in the west. this is what people of Andhar Prades should be told. And this is repiting in all Christan country in the thrid world.

    NaranH
    London, UK

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24. Ravi Gupta says:

    September 10, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    I fully agree with Pradeep. One needs constructive actions from influential Hindus and not just words. People convert for two reasons: One they are pushed out by the religion they profess or are attracted to the ideas offered by their newly adopted religion.

    It is a crime to discriminate against anyone in India, especially lower castes. Why is this law not being enforced against upper class Hindus in Indian villages? It is this discrimination that is pushing Hindu Dalits to adopt other religions. Also, many un-educated people do not understand the complexities of Hindu relgion. Maybe it is easy for them to understand the simple concepts of Islam and Christianity. Hindu leaders need to work on these two fronts instead of wasting their time on fighting elections. We need people like Swami Dayanad Saraswati and Gandhi to bring about this change.

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25. pradeep says:

    August 26, 2009 at 5:57 pm

    I accept this with out any doubt but the thing i always think how many days can you stop this conversions?
    1.you can stop these conversions only when you abolish caste sytem
    2.our religion heads should go in to the villages and teach the people what sanaatana dharma is
    3.Rich people in our society must help the poor for their upliftment

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26. nxghosting says:

    August 11, 2009 at 9:09 am

    i like this conversion
    i would like to know what you thinks

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    • Laxminarayana says:

      November 1, 2011 at 5:39 pm

      then go to a Muslim or christian country and stay for some time as if you are not belongs to their religion. then say these words. Go to pakisthan and have an experience.

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      • Rocky says:

        April 28, 2012 at 10:29 am

        Well Laxminarayana,

        To begin with, Islam or Christianity have been there in India for hundreds of years now and millions of people who have Indian genes follow these religions. So it is as much an Indian religion.

        In fact it is fanatics like you who should remain outside India and then India would be a much better place for everyone.

        The names of FANATICS GROUPS WHO SHOULD LEAVE India ::

        1) Fanatics of VHP/Bajrang Dal etc. who believe that their version of ‘pseudo’ Hinduism is correct and don’t think twice about using violence. I have no problems with their belief systems (anyone is free to believe anything as long as violence is not employed). Those elements of RSS who believe in using violence to enforce their beliefs should also be asked to leave India.

        2) Fanatics of Shiv Sena or MNS who believe that some cities are only meant for people from particular regions to live. For instance their belief that Mumbai is meant for Marathis only. These groups have screwed Mumbai and causing hatred between Indians and Indians.

        3) Islamic groups who believe that Islamic rule should be enforced in India or parts of India and are willing to use violence should be removed from India. Similarly militant groups/mobs who evict Kashmiri pandits should be fought against and their terror removed from the country.

        4) Separatist/christian-backed groups in the North east (who are willing to use violence) should be removed from India without fail.

        5) Maoists are free to air their beliefs of socialist paradise and participate in elections, but those groups who indulge in kidnappings, killings or violence must be exterminated from India.

        6) While any religious groups (including Hindu groups/missionaries/muslims) are free to preach their beliefs using peaceful means and find recruits, any group which uses violence should be banished from the country.

        [Here I must mention that mere criticism of other religion should not be a cause for concern. I have travelled in liberal world where many people criticise religions, but no one bothers much about that. For instance I have travelled to Christian countries where they often denigrate and criticise Christ/Mary, but people do understand it in a liberal sense and don't get too emotional about it. If some group is saying something about Hindu gods, then criticism should be replied through intellectual means of writing a counter article not by taking short-cuts of violence. Even though Gandhi was against conversion he always used the pen to counter criticism about his methods, never advocated violence to suppress a thought or idea.
        Moreover, tolerance of diverse ideas (including critical thoughts) is a feature of the ancient great India. Much before liberal thinking came to the west, India has a great tradition of liberalism and criticisms should be always welcomed even if they come from Muslims or Christian groups and these criticisms should be replied to. However if the facts are distorted and false hood is spread, then we have to use the existing law of the land to fine these groups heavily. Even in developed countries spreading false news is a punishable offence. In fact, we should improve governance to settle these cases fast (our judiciary is notoriously slow). In fact, in such cases I feel we should give large fines (for example a fine of Rs. 10 lacs on spreading false news/rumours/lies). This fine can be used to fund development and uplift those from poorer sections of society.]

        IF ALL THESE FANATICAL/SEMI-FANATICAL GROUPS LEAVE INDIA, INDIA WILL BE A MUCH BETTER COUNTRY TO LIVE IN.
27. Anan says:

    May 30, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    I am from Andhra. I don’t see anything as mentioned here. We Telugu people live in harmony. Don’t believe this article. The author must be a Hindutva fanatic.

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    • arisebharat says:

      June 1, 2009 at 6:55 am

      the author has given so much of data to prove that Xtian conversion in A.P. is on the rise. Just by saying that u are not able to see it, does not prove anything. Can u refute the happenings ? Can u refute the fact that there was a proposal to reduce the status of 7 hills of Tirupati temple to 2 hills…that conversion is so rampant in many of the temple towns that a movement had to be launched to force the government to issue a GO to stop conversions. Can u refute the point that political parties like the congress, TDP and PRP have announced that they would issue reservations to Christians who were erstwhile SC’s. these unconstitutional activities are what has forced a learned scholar like Samavedam Shanmukha Sharma to write the article. and if staying in Andhra is the only criteria that u have ,the person who wrote the article and the comments are from people who stay in Andhra.

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    • siddharth says:

      May 5, 2010 at 10:05 pm

      I think u are an idiot. Have you heard about guntur incident. where 15000+ people got converted on a single night??? I am from AP and I have travelled from Hyd to vijawada and from guntur to tirupathi everyware you can see a church planted and most of the sc and st have got converted. Sooner you open your eyes the better. Dont blend any one hindutva fanatic with our a peanut size knowledge about reality

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      • Rocky says:

        April 28, 2012 at 9:50 am

        Exactly Siddharth,

        I have personally seen some of these things myself. But having travelled all over the world, I found these ‘pseudo-Hindu’ zealots simply make a hate issue over trivial things which amazes me. I wonder how long these idiots will keep propagating the myth that ‘Hinduism’ is in danger, when all over the world including USA, UK, Australia etc. more number of temples keep coming up every month.

        Why can’t these ‘pseudo-Hindus’ look at facts?
        1. Look at the number of temples all over the world in 1900. Then look at the number of temples all over the world in 2010.

        2. Look at the number of Hindus all over the world in 1900.
        Look at the number of Hindus all over the world in 2010.

        (Has it grown or shrunk…?)

        To put things in perspective, some populations have actually shrunk. From a 114 thousand in 1941, Parsis have reached about 69 thousand in 1941 (according to an academic paper).

        Now this community have really got a reason to be worried about their religion/community. I would have understand if they had made some efforts.

        But to say Hinduism is in decline or that Hindus are about to become extinct is a clear and whopping lie, but surprisingly, these zealots are able to find recruits. That shows that in India, led by huge poverty, poor governance and some ‘ideology’ (real or ‘pseudo), youth are going astray.

        No wonder even Maoists are finding recruits, so are Islamic groups like SIMI and so also the fake missionaries who trying to dazzle the population with ‘healings.

        My point is simple :: Instead of trying to create a fanatical group, my friends like Arisebharat, should work toward building one INDIA FOR ALL INDIANS where every Indian from Kashmir to Kanyakumari and Gujarat to Meghalaya can feel safe, secure and free to preach or practice his/her religion (in a non-violent fashion), where everyone is free to preach or air his/her views and beliefs (non-violently).

        We need an India that is strong, well -governed but emphasises freedoms for its citizens and protects its citizens all over the country from mobs of all types – whether these mobs are militant mobs of muslims, or pseudo-hindu mobs or shiv sena or MNS mobs or any other groups like Maoists or ULFA or whatever.

        I am sure Arisebharat is well-intentioned and wishes well for India/Bharat. Trying to create a ‘saudi arabian’ version of ‘hindu nationalist India’ is not what is needed in the 21st century where truth, freedom, safety and the need for individual liberty must go hand in hand.
28. satyask says:

    May 25, 2009 at 5:10 am

    Can you please read and comment on this piece?
    http://satyastories.wordpress.com/2009/05/25/the-christian-vote-bank-andhra-elections/
    I would like to know what you think…
    Satya

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29. The Christian Vote Bank : Andhra Elections « Stories and Stuff! says:

    May 25, 2009 at 4:36 am

    [...] Andhra Pradesh is a developing state, yes, certainly developing into a Christian State.“ (Source)  The Church has always been about power. “After its establishment in the Roman Empire, [...]

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30. surinder97 says:

    March 5, 2009 at 5:49 am

    ISLAM’S PITILESS BRUTALITY
    By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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    1. For a Non-Moslem Kafir, it is difficult to visualize the Moslem’s capacity for blind-terror. In Iran, women ( especially if they are single women ) are lashed fifty times, for being present at a family gathering, where men other than their father & brother are present. Their crime ? They are single women. It is forbidden for single women to be present under the same roof with men. Many such women live in constant terror.

    Uncounted number of such women of all ages, are the target of a barbaric ordeal in the Islamic societies today, and throughout the history of Islam.

    Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution, Ayatollah Khomeini, says:
    “A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than 7, other sexual act such as forplay, rubbing, kissing and having pleasure is allowed…”

    2. The fanatic barbarians of Islam, regard these punishments of women, as honorable, manly, and sacred duty of Moslems.
    During the last three decades, Middle East has witnessed an escalating witch-hunt, which has spread terror among writers, novelists, film-directors, artists, & intellectuals, who criticize the use of abuse in Islam. They have been accused of blasphemy & apostasy, and of spreading unbelief. They have been censured, sued for libel, and jail-sentenced routinely. In the Middle-East, Israel remains the “ only oasis of modernity & democracy, “ while Moslem countries remain fortresses of authoritarian regimes.

    Sharia is the legal system in Moslem countries, it is the legal code. Under this legal system, women & minorities are deprived of human rights. Women are totally deprived of fulfilling their potential. Moslem pressure is underway, for the introduction of Sharia in both Europe & USA. Fear of application of Sharia in Europe & USA is real. Under Sharia, gays are to be slaughtered, and women are to be considered inferior, and honor-killing of women would proliferate, and polygamy would grow under the codes of Sharia. Human rights, women’s rights, & minorities rights do not exist under Sharia. Sharia brings in slavery.

    3. Moslems are in the middle of no-where. They have been hostages of their own belief system. Prof. Hutington talks about “ clash of civilizations. “ But it is the Moslems who began the clash of civilizations, by dividing the world into Moslems & Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ). Islam compares Kafirs to apes & pigs, and calls for killing of Kafirs. This murder is committed as a command from Allah. This murder is specific to Islam, and satisfies the wild bestial instincts of barbarian Moslems.
    Islam is a very dangerous belief system. It preaches the destruction of other belief systems. Moslems do not realize that they are inside their prison of Islam. Many people suggest the reformation of Islam. They argue that criticism of Islam again & again, will force the Moslems to look at their religion. They insist that we need to help the Moslems to get used to criticism of Islam.
    Such suggestions are naïve at best. Islam is a political ideology that, applies its ideology by force. In Islam there are no moderates. In Islam, you have to accept all teachings of Islam, otherwise you are not a Moslem. Because of this rigidity, Islam cannot be reformed. Islam is more likely to be crushed, with use of force & force-multipliers of modern societies.

    4. Jewish theolgian, Franz Rosenzweig, qualified Islam as a parody of revealed religion. Superficially, Islam mimics Judaism more than Christianity. Moslems pray five times a day, Jews pray three times. Males are circumcised in both Islam & Judaism. A similar dietary codes ( Halal/Kosher ) prevails in both Islam & Judaism. But as opposed to Judaism, Islam never rid itself of the most barbaric practices, of the primitive world, even in the 21st century. The primitive world persist inside Islam, under the Abrahamic veneer.

    But Islam does parody Christianity as well. Unlike Judaism, which seeks to separate Israel, from the practices of the surrounding people, Christianity tries to incorporate all of humanity, into the New People Of God ( their God, the Christian God ). Likewise Islam tries to impose its Islamic religion, universally on all people of the world, and accepts no point of departure from this imperialist attitude. Thus both Islam & Christianity carry this baggage, of imposition of their religion, on the entire world.

    Thus it is absurd to propose that, Islam parodies only Judaism. Islam is a ludicrous parody of Christianity equally well.

    5. Because Islam touts itself as a religion of peace, and because historical record of Islam does not support this claim, a question may logically be asked.
    Does Islam promote barbarism or suppresses it ?
    To answer this question, even a cursory look at a vast collection of Hadiths ( sayings of Hazrat Mohammad ), would reveal that:
    There is explicit support of female genital mutilation, wife-beating, and slaughter of Kafirs inside these Hadiths. Thus such barbaric acts of Islam persist, because of Islam, and not despite Islam.

    Surinder Paul Attri

    Reply
    • munna says:

      March 30, 2012 at 9:50 am

      Stupid idot u christians have all ways shown muslims as enemy and entered india as aids virus killing demography

      Reply
31. Pavani says:

    February 20, 2009 at 3:31 am

    Wow! A real eye opener.The flame should be lit in every heart to carry the lofty ideas of secularism,peace and ethical religious preaching.

    Reply

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